The problem
Scatter dots in the plane, with no three on one straight line. How many dots force us to be able to choose a specified number as the corners of a convex polygon, one with no inward dents? Four dots can fail to give four corners: three may form a triangle with the fourth inside it. Five dots do force a convex four-corner polygon. The general conjecture predicts the exact required count for every larger number of corners; unused dots may lie inside the chosen polygon.[1]
How many points in the real plane force a convex polygon with a specified number of vertices, regardless of the arrangement? We exclude three points on one line. The chosen points must all be outer corners; other, unchosen points may lie inside their polygon.
A triangle with an interior point shows why four points need not supply a convex quadrilateral. For a checked example, use , , and : the last point is inside the triangle, and no three are collinear. The known four-corner threshold is five.
Let be the smallest count guaranteeing n vertices in convex position. The conjecture, for , is
There are arrangements with one fewer point and no such n-gon. The remaining issue is whether the proposed count always suffices. Knowing an approximate exponential growth rate does not give this exact guarantee for each n.[1]
Scope
Point sets in the Euclidean plane with no three collinear; convex n-gons whose interior may contain other points.
What remains open
Why it matters
It is a geometric example of a wider idea: a large enough collection cannot avoid every organized pattern. The question asks how the restrictions of a real point arrangement sharpen that principle, even when the dots were placed without any regular plan.[1]
The original existence proof connects the problem to Ramsey theory; a second proof uses the geometry more directly. This makes it a way to compare arbitrary combinatorial patterns with those a real point configuration can actually realize. Sharp thresholds reveal how strongly geometric consistency constrains pattern avoidance, beyond the fact that some finite threshold exists.[1]
Definitions
3 terms
convex
A region is convex if the whole straight segment joining any two of its points stays within it. A convex polygon has no inward dents.[1]
convex position
Selected points are in convex position when every one is a corner of their convex hull, the smallest convex region containing them. None is inside the hull of the others.[1]
Ramsey theory
The study of organized patterns that must appear when a finite collection is large enough, even if no regular structure was deliberately imposed.[1]
Sources
- On the Erdos-Szekeres convex polygon problem
Notes on On the Erdos-Szekeres convex polygon problem
Defines the noncollinear convex-position target and exact conjecture; proves an asymptotic scale. Its introduction also explains the Ramsey connection.
- Notes on the 33-point Erdős--Szekeres problem
Notes on Notes on the 33-point Erdős--Szekeres problem
Restricted computational preprint; selected small-case and anchored-family claims do not prove the exact universal threshold.